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"While the true original inhabitants of Vietnam were the Hoabinhians, they had of course been replaced and absorbed by the East Eurasian-looking populace and the expansion of preliminary Austroasiatic and Austronesian languages, although linguistic is not totally interrelated with genetic." So, obviously, this is a run on, and I would just fix it, probably poorly, if part of the run-on didn't require a rework. The use of "of course" in the sentence is incredibly vague language. It also feels antithetical to the intent of providing contextualized knowledge. The related article on "Hoabinhians" provides no context that would imply that this was common knowledge, and to be honest I had never heard the term "Hoabinhians" before this article. Spicygarbage (talk) 06:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Am planning to thin out the overweight intro. If anyone has specific requests or guidance to offer, please put it here. Rollo (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, could you please simplify the modern history part (1945-present) of this article? I mean the points of this part should be retained but presented in a more concise manner because this part is rambling. 14.162.204.75 (talk) 14:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. I'm doing it bit by bit. PS: this is about the lead section. If you mean the main section of the article, perhaps suggest it in another comment. The whole article needs pruning and rewriting IMO. Rollo (talk) 20:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this entire article needs a major edit, however I would like to remind you that this is a very important article and you should keep all of its points, just make it shorter and more readable. Regards! 14.231.202.51 (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a mistake at the beginning of the article. As the article presented, France granted full independence to Vietnam (State of Vietnam) of the anti-communists on 4 June 1954, this was not related to the Geneva Conference that led to the communists taking power in the North in July. The information and link you wrote can easily mislead readers. By the way, you forgot link about the Vietnam War. 14.231.202.51 (talk) 23:48, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The fall of Saigon was symbolic but it was the whole offensive that put an end to the state. Can discuss if disagreement. Rollo (talk) 10:58, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. But as I said, since Vietnam's complete independence from France in June 1954 had nothing to do with the Geneva Conference, you should move the link about the Conference from the independence section to the division section, since the Geneva Accords signed at the Conference in July only left Vietnam divided and the communists in power in the North. Furthermore, you should add "later" or "in July" to avoid confusing the reader that Vietnam gained complete independence and was divided at the same time. 14.231.202.51 (talk) 11:26, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Independence happened in the middle of the Geneva Conference, the two things are clearly closely related. But sure, not the same. Done. Rollo (talk) 12:07, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder why there is a special presentation in the Post-war and unified era (1975–1986) section? Please review. Thank you and I hope you continue to improve the entire article by shortening the presentation while still keeping all of the points. 14.162.204.75 (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I only intended to fix the introduction, i.e. the most important part of a relatively important article. I'm not an expert. Why not get yourself a proper account and have a go yourself? Rollo (talk) 13:08, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just talking about the presentation, I see that in that part there is a paragraph presented within a rectangular frame and written by smaller letters, I don't know if you accidentally edited it like that. In the scale of the whole article, especially in the modern history section (1945-present) of the article, I just hope you present it shorter because this part (and the whole article) is rambling, I don't ask for information editing, you yourself said you will gradually edit the whole article to make it more concise and easier to understand. I am usually very busy so I don't have time to edit, now I'm free but I am going to work and do other things soon. I hope you will help me fix it, only so. Thanks! 14.162.204.75 (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rollo: According to the article, the Viet Minh communists defeated France thanks to China's support. You should add the detail at the beginning of the article that France was supported by the United States since 1950 and the Viet Minh was supported by China since 1950. Thanks! 14.231.202.51 (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, in the early period after the official unification in 1976, Vietnam was still in a state of hostility towards the United States and the capitalist bloc. Initially, Vietnam had tensions with China and the Vietnamese army was bogged down in Cambodia until it withdrew in 1989 without being able to completely destroy the Khmer Rouge. In addition, in the early period, Vietnam's socio-economic situation was too difficult. I hope you will correct the last paragraph of the beginning of the article. This is my final request for the first part of the article. 14.231.202.51 (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, at the beginning of the article, you left extra space between paragraphs. And as I replied to you, before 1954 the Viet Minh rebels had areas of control in the North, Center, and South. Look at the map of Indochina in late 1950, the Viet Minh de facto controlled most of Vietnam.
Just one more time about this very important article here, in the beginning of the article you stating that the rival and communist state founded by Ho Chi Minh controlled the northern part of the country is ambiguous, it is true that after 1954 this state officially controlled North Vietnam, but before 1954 this state controlled practically most of the country even though at that time it was a rebel organization. 14.162.204.75 (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just one more request, we all know the Soviet Union was actually a Russian state, but you should still replace the word "Russia" with "Soviet Union" to be more specific. 14.162.204.75 (talk) 12:55, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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